government helped you along the way. the next thing that comes out -- >> bob: let me tell you what the strategy here. not about downplaying his own expectations. you talk about the zingert story they're pushing hard is romney and his people are working for month on one-line zinger to go after the president and something like hope and change. i can tell you, those kind of lines haven't been the one created, where's the beef, and -- i >> bobi >> dana: i thought wendy's did that. >> bob: they did but i stole it. if you get someone to deliver it, i'm not sure romney could driver it. if they try that strategy hit it out of the ballpark. >> greg: the zingers is the cake. i love those. >> andrea: he doesn't want to approach podium. remember rick lazio did that. >> bob: two do you think is going to be seen as winner of the debate? >> dana: wait and see. andrea will be in denver. >> bob: that was superfluou superfluous. >> dana: in the morning, republicans say romney did well and democrats say obama did well. >> bob: exception of